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In article <4l99vl$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dave Thomas) wrote:

> I don't consider EI to be a serious competition for LW, except for the
> fact that they've been around on the Mac longer. LW's success will
> depend a lot on how much Mac folks are willing to use it's non-Mac
> interface.
>

Are you referring to EI on the Mac as competition for LW on whatever, or
EI vs. LW on the Mac? I'm curious since I'm a Mac addict drooling over LW
as an alternative to the $7500 EI. Although EI's recent announcement of
Electric Image Broadcast* does kind of change things.

I've used EI and its pretty impressive. Very fast, very powerful animation
and excellent image quality, i.e. Terminator2, Star Trek:Generations,
Journeyman Project 2 etc. I'd like to know why you don't think it can
compete with LW, which I've never used. For example, what does LW do that
EI doesn't? What does it do better?

If the software is better, the interface is a minor concern. You'll find
that many, if not most Mac users agree.

I'd be interested to hear comparisons anybody here might want to make.
Please e-mail me a copy of any posts, as my flaky news server misses too
many articles.

Here's a chance for the LightWave faithful to convert another user!
(Actually 4, since we need at least that many seats).

-SM


* EI Broadcast is a $2500 version of EI; the only difference is that EIB
is limited to NTSC/PAL resolution.
--
I am easily satisfied with the very best.
-Winston Churchill

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Cable)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Realistic Sun for Solar System flyby in Lightwave
Date: 21 Apr 1996 22:20:54 GMT
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Any ideas on for putting together a "realistic" lightwave Sun object?  It will
be used in a tight shot much like the Voyager solar prominence fly-through.  I
have experimented with various semitransparent spheres as a corona but have not
had much success.  I'm not even sure how to attack animating the sunspots and
other solar features.


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Lanny Chambers wrote:
> care less over here, because OS/2 cannot run Photoshop. Thank you.
>

No but I can run it under a Windows session in OS/2. I can also run
Premiere in the background (making a movie) while I'm painting in Pshop
as well as downloading something from the internet and run Doom all at
the same time. Now if that's not a "real" OS then nothing is.

The only thing that's better than OS/2 IMHO is Unix (well Irix 5.3
actually) and I can even run Doom on it (and photoshop).

--
Jon Allitt    ph  [phone]
JJ Graphics    fax [phone]
Wellington
New Zealand    eMail [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Cable)
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Subject: Re: AVI Editor?
Date: 21 Apr 1996 23:07:20 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>
>Hi All,
>Is there a program on PC to edit .avi file, a program like PSP,
>sharewave or commerical.....
>
Check out newsgroup alt.binaries.multimedia.  There are usually about a half
dozen of so avi editors. VideoEdit 1.1 from Microsoft is usually posted there a
few times.


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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
Date: 21 Apr 1996 19:26:36 -0400
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-------------
    Lightwave surfaces now have alpha channels attached to them: I'm
not
quite sure of their use yet.

--------------


This is a multiple surface map feature - it's a different way of combing
multiple maps; you use the Alpha to determine the relationship. Want some
REAL texture animation? Use an image sequence as the Alpha....just a
thought....


_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan

"I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."
Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffery S. Jones)
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Subject: Re: Lightwave for Mac
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On 18-Apr-96 21:44:17, Ted Lindsey <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <olsonjj-1804962218220001@129.219.72.219>, [e-mail]
>(John Olson) wrote:

>> Please dont all attack at once:
>>
>> What do you all think about lightwave coming for the Mac?  Do you
>> find it as a good or bad thing?  Will it help to bring studios
>> together that use Macs for multimedia and/or pre-press?
>>
>> just curious
>>
>>
>> JohnO.

>I think it's a great thing. I know of many people who use Mac's for all
>of their 2D graphics and video composition but have to deal with
>Windows NT for their 3D needs.

  I think it is an amazingly great thing.  To use Lightwave otherwise,
you had to transfer your other useful data (such as Photoshop images)
over to whatever machine had LW -- or else you couldn't really use it
with your Mac.  And Lightwave is a powerful 3D program, something which
the Mac could use more of.

  More important, I think, is that this will make LW available in a
data-compatible form on the Alpha NT, Amiga, Intel (Win/NT), Mac, SGI,
and Sun platforms.  All with a common interface, nicely designed.  It is
true that its interface complies with *no* OS standards of design, but
it does work nicely.

  Data-sharing between different 3D programs is problematic at best.
Something is almost always lost in translation.  But having access to
the actual program on whatever platform you use, you can either use LW
directly, with its import/export features, or use the best object/file
converters available from among all the supported platforms.  More
connectivity, more productivity, and everyone can have LW on his
computer of choice.



--
*-__________________________ | *Starfire* | _________________________-*
Jeff Jones  email:[e-mail]  *//* Amiga Lives! |Born
*TFG* *Starfire* Design Studio        *\\//* 1985-1994,    |again 1995!
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From: [e-mail] (Matt. )
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio
Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
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[e-mail] wrote:

>On 4/15/96 9:31AM, in message <[e-mail]>, Jeff Jasper

>> What "A" movies have used it for animation? Lord of Illusions was a big of a
>> flop in the theatres as was Johnny Mnemonic. Most companies still use
>> in-house tools just as much if not more than commercial tools. Even for
>> Johnny Mnemonic they had to write custom plug-ins to handle the cast depth of
>> the cyberspace sequences.

>I said (in the earlier post) that there are "A" movies in production _now_ that
>are using Lightwave.

>--
>                      -=Fred=-

I sm also sure that there are 'A' movied in production that are using
MAX.

Question:  Of these movies that are not in production, is Lightwave
the only animation program being used?   I seem to remember back to
Terminator 2, that just about every animation software company were
claiming to have had a part in the production of the movie.  This just
shows that some packages have features that are better than others,
but they are still just a tool.  What do they say. 'use the right tool
of the job', and if that happens to be Lightwave of one piece, and 3DS
Max for another, then that is just great.

MJM



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From: [e-mail] (Michael Justin Austin)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LW 5.0 NOT rea<<<blah blah blah
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On Apr 20, 1996 18:35:13 in article <Re: LW 5.0 NOT rea<<<blah blah blah>,
'[e-mail] (Tim Krego)' wrote:


>On 16 Apr 1996 16:04:26 -0400, [e-mail] (Michael Justin
>Austin) wrote:
>>max is late and the beta demonstrated
>>in Jan. in NYC didnt have a render engine
>
>MAX is shipping. Who cares about last Jan, the software was beta then.

  From the crashes people are getting it should still be considered beta.


>
>>1/2 the kpt filters dont work with my frac design painter 4
>
>16bit or 32bit?    32.bit

32bit  on NT only 1/2 will work

>
>>fdp4 interface comes up in negative colors!
>
>Do you have Device Independent Bitmaps selected in the preferences?

  Brilliant!  of course and geuss what?  NOTHING HAPPENED.
>
>

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Justin Austin)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LightWave 5.0 at NAB
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On Apr 20, 1996 18:35:12 in article <Re: LightWave 5.0 at NAB>,
'[e-mail] (Tim Krego)' wrote:

    Since your such a kinetix groupy why dont you just
stay in those groups?  You obviously Hate Newtek and lightwave
and feel completely threatened by them.

We dont care about your Lies


>On 19 Apr 1996 20:26:36 -0400, [e-mail] (Freddric) wrote:
>>The people at the digimation booth. Told me that they had a hard time
>>trying to get newtek to give them a SDK. It took them 3 to 4 months and
>>going through five reps before newtek finally gave them a beta copy of
>>5.0.
>
>NewTek may have been worried Digimation would have let Kinetix get a
>peek at it.
>
>>But since they've gotten the beta, they said they were writing plug
>>ins for lightwave.
>
>>I thought I'd say this because, they have a plugin for 3dr4 called
inferno,
>>which is simply awesome. It's like have alias animator for under $500.00.

>
>That is LenZFX Inferno. It does lensflares, focus (dof,rack), glows,
>hilites, explosions, etc.
>
>All the LW guys get off saying 3DSR4 doesn't come with lensflares and
>bones. We have to purchase them seperately and they blow away the LW
>versions. LW 5.0 still misses some of the features in LenZFX Inferno
>2.1 and Bones Pro 1.5 for 3DSR4. The MAX versions will be shipping in
>2-3 months and will probably be a jump up from the 3DSR4 versions.
>
>

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Mattapan)
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I bought Max and It Was a big mistake so take 15% off New and it is yours.

I prefer Lightwave for my needs and with the money I saved I can get a
perception card


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From: [e-mail] (Steve Mattapan)
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I have a feeling that this guy works for kinetix
or is a disgruntled ex-newtek employee
or Hired by Play to bad mouth Lightwave on the net during NAB

His posts are full of inaccuracies (spelling? speaking of inaccuracies!)
Lightwave has had animated texture maps for quite awhile.
The plugins do fully integrate into the program.
Seamless??  phuh!
3ds lensfx  results are NOT as good as lightwaves' native lens flares
More buttons to click, thats all.

and Max's (I know because I have it) so called modelles approach
I find crowded compared to Lightwaves 2 pronged approach
and the film shoot metaphor of Layout is elegant.







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From: [e-mail] (James Burns)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(John Weinberger) wrote:

>Re: http://www.loop.com/~maeder/
>
>Wow!  Ran into this page on the Internet the other day...  I'm very
>impressed by sm's use of graphics on his web page.

{stuff deleted}

I kind of wonder about your honesty in this matter, as both your address
and the website you endorse are from "loop.com."

Hmmmmmm.....

--
-------------------------------
James Burns
Television graphic designer, unreconstructed liberal
[e-mail]
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"James B. Liechtenstein" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>but I think that many people in the world do not sure that
>W95 is a pure SHIT!!!
>  If you sou sure in it, may be you can tell me WHY?!!!
>And why so many people working with Windows 95.

I'm an old computer user, from pre-PC times and know this history from
DOS 2.1a (Texas version)

The reason Win'95 is the most popular environment nowadays, is the
same that puts MSOffice at the top of the ranking:
Lots of programs, applications, and user's vicious, were developed
under this platform.
Excuse my poor english: It's better a fly near my hand (less than a
bird), that tons (not tens) flying around.
OS/2 is REALLY a better environment, more robust, but the two
platforms offer multitasking.
So I said, but I need Win'95 due to my applications.
I'm another one.

It's not for fighting.

*---------------------------------------------------------*
Eduardo Jorge Martinez Velez
Internet URL:  [e-mail]
CompuServe ID: 73070,3653 (not working from Argentine)
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From: [e-mail] (SImhoff)
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Anyone know if there is any plan for a Mac version for either of these
programs?

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SImhoff ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Anyone know if there is any plan for a Mac version for either of these
: programs?

I asked (E-mail) the company from their own post here, about an Amiga
version.

No reply from them and no RodSerling.deamon.server returning my mail :)

Chris


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Mark Dunakin wrote:
>

> things I never would have thought of and weren't in the manuals. And one other
> tape that I think you should get, even if you are new, and this tape is for
> more versed users, is the first tape made by Infocas. It told me things that I
> couldn't find anywhere.....Trust me on this one......I already ordered the
> next one from them on textures. But they won't be out till June :(....md


I bought both of them.  I think they were worth it on a couple of levels.  There
were some individual techniques that really help, but there were also some issues
of his modeling philosophy that apply to almost anything you do in Lightwave. I
have already saved a lot of time because of these videos.  The only bad thing I
have to say is: Desktop Images just started with a new fulfillment house (according
to whoever I talked to) and the guy trying to take my order was clueless.  I had to
call on their customer service line to place my order.

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From: [e-mail] (InstntGuts)
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Subject: Re: FS 3dsMac
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<<I bought Max and It Was a big mistake so take 15% off New and it is
yours.>>

Interesting, considering MAX just began shipping last week, and I would be
surprised if people in New York had received their copies yet.

Care to explain *exactly* the reasons why it was a big mistake, after, at
most, a day or two of evaluation? Sorry if I find your message a little
difficult to believe.

-- Jon


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Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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<<Believe it or not, I don't have a copy of the seaQuest! :)>>

I know you don't, Greg; I'm just giving you a hard time. <G> As with
anything in the film industry, the designs are the property of the
production company. But, I've always liked the design, and thought it
would be cool if I could ever see what the actual 3D model looked like in
wireframe.

-- Jon

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We dont care about your Lies
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Die, infiedel, die!


_____________________________________________
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"I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."
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In article <jpburns-2104961936040001@192.0.2.1>, [e-mail] says...
>
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>(John Weinberger) wrote:
>
>>Re: http://www.loop.com/~maeder/
>>
>>Wow!
>{more stuff deleted}
>
>I kind of wonder about your honesty in this matter, as both your address
>and the website you endorse are from "loop.com."
>
>Hmmmmmm.....
>
>James Burns

Whether it's his own page or not, I'd hafta say that mailbox is the best use of Java I've
seen on the Web!!  I was definately ROTFLOL!  It's true, sometimes a thousand words
still beat a picture B^)

--
        --Jeff K.                         GreenWheels Electric Car Co.
        [e-mail]                        Beverly, MA  USA
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From: [e-mail] (VirtualBri)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Warning: DPS (Digital Processing Systems Inc.)
Date: 21 Apr 1996 23:00:23 -0400
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>Please ignore the previous post regarding DPS having poor tech support or
>bad products.  It is incorrect.

Incorrect and a very minority opinion.
--Brian



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From: Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] wrote:
: On 4/20/96 11:35AM, in message <[e-mail]>, Tim Krego
: <[e-mail]> wrote:

: > All the LW guys get off saying 3DSR4 doesn't come with lensflares and
: > bones. We have to purchase them seperately and they blow away the LW
: > versions. LW 5.0 still misses some of the features in LenZFX Inferno
: > 2.1 and Bones Pro 1.5 for 3DSR4. The MAX versions will be shipping in
: > 2-3 months and will probably be a jump up from the 3DSR4 versions.

: The thing is though that if you spend the equivalent amount of money on
: Lightwave and plugins that you'd spend on JUST MAX or 3DS R4 you'd have a
: package that runs quite a few rings around MAX/3DS and even a ring or two
: around Alias and SoftImage.  Yes, there still may be a few differences
: (especially between Alias and SI), but it would be a pretty unbeatable package
: nonetheless.

You can put dual turbochargers on a Camaro Z28 to get 400 hp out of it,
but it will never be a Ferrari, though it might be able to keep up with
one so long as you don't turn.

Nothing you do to the current (v5) version of LW will bring it anywhere
near Alias. It would take alot of work to bring it near Softimage. If you
saw the speed of the particles, interactive lighting, and understood what
the construction history of MAX does, you'd know that there are
fundamental things which LW needs to have changed before it is the equal
of MAX.

There are lots of areas where LW and MAX overlap, small areas in which LW
is superior. Have you even seen MAX? Alias? Softimage?

: --
:                       -=Fred=-


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From: [e-mail] (VirtualBri)
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Subject: Re: Upgrading???
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>does anybody think it's fair that newtek is going to make us pay
>$500 dollars for an upgrade. Hell I just bought V4.0 4 months ago.. Now
>I'm going to have to shell out a Sh*t load of money (for me) so I can
>have what other programs have always had. I think Newtek should call this

>V4.1 and let us, how spent 800+ dollars get what we deserve....

Hmm, $495 to upgrade to 5.0, or $2495 for Electric Image, $3495 for MAX,
$7995 for SoftImage?

Those are your upgrade costs for programs in a similar quality range.

You choose.
--Brian

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From: [e-mail] (InstntGuts)
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<<Max isn't shipping yet.  They wanted it to announce shipping at NAB but,
alas,
we learned that even non-NewTek programs are having their problems.
Remember,
Autodesk is far worse when it comes to missing deadlines than NewTek.>>

Wrong. Autodesk began shipping 3D Studio MAX last Wednesday night, April
17th, to both the U.S. and Europe; people on the West Coast have already
confirmed receiving it.

-- Jon

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In article <4lbcch$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>
>I am running LW4.0 on Intel. Just up graded to Win 95 and tried to
>render some animation and got this message
>
>" error starting program
>  the AVIFIL32.dll file is linked to missing export NTDLL.DLL:memmove"
>
>Any sugestions.
>
The same thing happened to me.... I had to replace the avifil32.dll that
lightwave installed on my computer with the one that came with
Windows95. Just search your windows95 cd for the file and copy over the
one that lightwave put in your windows\system directory. Everything will
be just fine and dandy.


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From: Stephen Bailey <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
>
> >
> >  >Internal Alpha Channel         Nope, only external
> >  I m not sure what this is.  Could someone explain this one?
>
>         Lightwave surfaces now have alpha channels attached to them: I'm not
> quite sure of their use yet.
>

I found a wonderful use for them. Say you have a  round object's surface and you want to stamp
a big fat 'M' on the belly. :)

Just add another surface color texture map that loads
the 'M' image and it's alpha channel (Wavefront's .RLA format works very well for
this -- see HIIP). The alpha channel should appear as a white M against black. Turn off width
and height tiling, select the RGB and alpha channel images, size and center it for taste, and
you're done. The decal does not interfere with other surface color settings.

From there you can adjust the transparency of the decal, as well as aliasing, et al.

The multiple surface texture options will, by themselves, increase the depth and quality of LW's
output many times over. It's one of the best new features for surfacing junkies, as is the
alpha channel support.

SGB

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From: [e-mail] (Adam Ives Chrystie)
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Subject: Re: Any LW5.0 betatesters with info?
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In <4ldchn$4n1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Steven Johansen) writes:

>    Well now that LW5 has been announced I presume that all NDA's
>have run their course.
>    Would any of the LW5 beta-testers who frequent this group care
>to share their opinions of the new release.

Welp, considering that beatas are not supposed to reveal who they are..i
dunno if any will reply...



>    ie
>        Are MetaBlobs simply a modelling function or are they
>    animatable in Layout ?(eg. Blobs deform if moved closer to the
>    sphere of influence of other Blobs)


 Metablobs...i musta missed that feature in 5.0 do you mean uh i think it
is called metanurbs???? if so, it is a modeling feature.


>        How realtime are OpenGl realtime previews in both
>    Modeller and Layout, at what rez, at what colour depth?
>    What hardware is necessary to support it (ie. your system)
>
If you have powerview on your machine now...expect similar
performance..and slower (if you enable more shading options)...on an
alpha open gl wasn't painfully slow..but still you can not do open gl
layout preview animations wqithoput an open gl card...it was rather quick
on an alpha actually...basically it is usefull for modeling and layout
previews of a frame...but until opengl card come out that are good
..don't expect to be using open gl displays all the time.
Using open gl on a 256 color screen SUCKS!! 24bit is teh way to go...i do
not think it makes too much of a time difference if youuse a 24bit screen
or a 16-bit screen.
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Cinema/Video Major, Senior
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Mark Dunakin wrote:
>
> SG> For those of you who don't know what it is, Meshpaint allows you to paint
> SG> textures directly on an object once you've set up the texture locations.
> SG> Like Amazon Paint on the SGI.
> ----------------
> I keep on hearing abvout this MeshPaint and would like to know where do I go
> to find out about it?.......thanx..........md

MeshPaint is sold by Digimation, but it is still a far cry from Tarna or Amazon
Paint on the SGI. But it seems to have gotten a lot better with the Windows version.

Jeff

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Adam Ives Chrystie wrote:

> MIPS versions will get a free upgrade...who the heck uses a MIPS version
> anyway? i know nobody....


Some of us who bought the original Raptors and ScreamerNet still use
MIPS.  Granted, it's not the best by a long shot, but it cost so much we
still use it for some simpler animations. It's either that or convert it
to a file cabinet. In fact, this free upgrade may be the only way left
to feel good about buying Original ScreamerNet since it was dropped in
favor of ScreamerNet II. BTW, does anyone know of an OpenGL card that
will work on the older (non PCI) motherboards, and with MIPS/NT drivers?

Jim Perkins
Imageflex Productions, Inc.

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Hate to break anyones hearts, but any multitasking on a PC is SHIT!
The IBM PC (CLONE) was not designed to do multitasking it was designed
to do one process at a time.  When IBM's first came out that's all
that the 80888 processor could handle.

Now the switch is when the IBM CLONES by this time, got to looking
around at TRUE multitasking environments.  Such as the Commodore
AMIGA's and Macintosh's and started wanting to be like them.  Well all
Microsoft could do was imitate them.  I've owned and still do own an
AMIGA 2000 and know what TRUE multitasking is about.

Reason being is that Commodore and Apple built there multitasking
machines from the hardware up.  Multitasking is not nearly as efficent
when you have to do it software down with out the underlying hardware.

For instance, the AMIGA had around 7 different chipsets all devoted to
multitasking.  Commodore even gave them names (denise, diane, etc..)
and each chip did it's own task.  That's why the AMIGA could do 20
different tasks at the same time with a wimpy ole Motorola (forgive me
I forget the number) processor.  The processor was compariable to a
386/16 mhz. machine.

Sadly enough though I've had to move into the world of Microsoft's
Windows.  I bought my AMIGA because it had kick ass sound and
graphics.  At the time a sound card for a IBM PC would cost around
$4000.00.  And EGA with 256 colors was all the IBM could muster.

So when you start talking about Microsoft Windows 95, NT, 3.1 or
whatever even OS/2 shit.  Remember that until a major hardware change
is made on this antiquated architecture that you call a IBM PC running
with a PENTIUM 166 mhz and still stumbling around trying to do 2
tasks.  Remember the AMIGA's and what they did with alot less
processor.


On Sat, 13 Apr 96 08:23:17 +0200, "James B. Liechtenstein"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>, "Frank O. Schaefer" <[e-mail]> writes:
>>>> >Spader
>>>> If you use WIN95 you can download multipule files.
>>>> M-U-L-T-I-T-A-S-K-I-N-G!!!!!!!
>>>
>>>If you haven't already noticed:
>>>Win95 does not do real multitasking Win95 is pure SHIT !
>>>You should use a real multitasking environment instead !
>>>And if your on a PC the only thing for YOU is OS/2 !!
>>>
>  Diar Frank!
>May be you are a big specialist, i don't know,
>but I think that many people in the world do not sure that
>W95 is a pure SHIT!!!
>  If you sou sure in it, may be you can tell me WHY?!!!
>And why so many people working with Windows 95.
>
>™‹
>Š      James B. Liechtenstein       Š
>Š             ~~~~~~~~~~            Š
>Š  E-mail: [e-mail]    Š
>Š  Donetsk, Ukraine                 Š
>Š  Phone/fax: [phone]       Š
>Š                    93-71-70       Š
>˜Œ
>
>


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From: [e-mail] (MICHAEL C. LING)
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Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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On Apr 20, 1996 18:35:15 in article <Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW
5.0>, '[e-mail] (Tim Krego)' wrote:


>On Thu, 18 Apr 96 04:48:23 GMT, [e-mail] (Gord Davison)
>wrote:
>>>Seamless Plugin Architecture    Nope
>> ^^^^^^^^
>>  How do you define *seamless*?
>
>Where a plugin works just like it was a feature of the program. This
>is in the underlying architecture of MAX and I think LW's plugin
>architecture doesn't support it in LW 4.0. I haven't seen LW 5.0, just
>the posts, so I don't know if the plugin stuff has been expanded.

In other words because everything ends up as a separate window in 3DMAX,
another plug-in in a window by itself just fits right in, whereas plug-ins
on lightwave stand out because everything else is internally integrated?

--
M C L -

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> Are you referring to EI on the Mac as competition for LW on whatever, or
> EI vs. LW on the Mac? I'm curious since I'm a Mac addict drooling over LW
> as an alternative to the $7500 EI. Although EI's recent announcement of
> Electric Image Broadcast* does kind of change things.

I think it is a very smart decision on their part to release this broadcast
version as well as the amazingly cheap student version.

> I've used EI and its pretty impressive. Very fast, very powerful animation
> and excellent image quality, i.e. Terminator2, Star Trek:Generations,
> Journeyman Project 2 etc. I'd like to know why you don't think it can
> compete with LW, which I've never used. For example, what does LW do that
> EI doesn't? What does it do better?

Well, LW has a modeler for one thing. This isn't much of a concern if you have
the money to buy Form-Z along with EIAS. Although NURBS are supposedly being
put in the next release. LW is also a raytracer where EIAS is not. But I think
they have gotten around it very well as EIAS turns out beautiful and realistic
renderings as ultra-sonic speeds. As with MAX, LW has EIAS beat with price
and that's about it. LW is a BIG deal though on the Mac. I know from being
forced to use Strata, Infini-D, and Extreme 3D(by far the worst) that LW is
a very welcome 3D tool for Mac 3D artist.

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[Message snip]
Actually, in defense for Tim Krego, he's posted on behalf of both 3D Studio
AND LightWave, both in favor and against.  While I'm not entirely in favor of
bringing "advocacy" level messages to either newsgroup, he has offered
feedback on both sides.  He has also done this on the LightWave3D mailing
list.  If anything, he offers a viewpoint from both platforms.

Dan

--
Daniel J. McCoy - [e-mail] or [e-mail]
WWW - http://www.pacificnet.net/~djmccoy

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From: [e-mail] (T0pJimmy)
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Subject: Re: Upgrading???
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>>does anybody think it's fair that newtek is going to make us pay
>>$500 dollars for an upgrade. Hell I just bought V4.0 4 months ago.. Now
>>I'm going to have to shell out a Sh*t load of money (for me) so I can
>>have what other programs have always had. I think Newtek should call
this

>>V4.1 and let us, how spent 800+ dollars get what we deserve....


>Subject: Re: Upgrading???
>From: [e-mail] (VirtualBri)
>Date: 21 Apr 1996 23:08:11 -0400
>Message-ID: <4let6r$[e-mail]>
>Hmm, $495 to upgrade to 5.0, or $2495 for Electric Image, $3495 for MAX,
>$7995 for SoftImage?

>Those are your upgrade costs for programs in a similar quality range.

>You choose.
>--Brian


     I use both Lightwave (extensively) and 3DS (gathers dust) and my
upgrade to Max was the same cost as my upgrade to LW 5.0, for my DEC
Alpha's. After seeing both versions at NAB I'd have to say they're a steal
at that price, but with some of the awsome new FX that are immediately
available with Max (volumetric lighting, all operations being fully
animatable directly in layout, and a freeware combustion plug-in that I
just downloaded (incredible demo AVI's)) I have to admit Max will probably
get a heck of a lot of use in my studio.

     I'd prefer working only with LW so I'm hoping plug-ins will continue
to develop strongly in that direction. I'm also concerned with the actual
rendered output from Max, although it will supposedly allow different
renderers through plug-ins.

     Anyway, if you've stayed up to date with either package, their "5.0"
upgrades are identical in price. And like I said earlier, they're both
well worth it.
Jim Guyon
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (MICHAEL C. LING)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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On Apr 20, 1996 18:37:54 in article <Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW
5.0>, '[e-mail] (Tim Krego)' wrote:

>space to have a surfaces panel open? Or an animation track? The LW
>interface is nice, but the Amiga roots are holding it back.

Not Amiga, Toaster. The Toaster's interface was unique even for Amiga. By
the way about having additional windows to view textures and etc, you are
working in a multitasking environment. In that respect, the Amiga roots are
showing.

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From: [e-mail] (MICHAEL C. LING)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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>>>Unlimited Cameras              One Camera
>>
>>I wish I had more than one myself.
========================================================

On Apr 20, 1996 23:58:01 in article <Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW
5.0>, '[e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )' wrote:


>With the exception of targeting a camera to an object, this can be
effectively
>
>simulated by using Null objects.  For simplicity, just rename the Nulls as
Cameras. I haven't tried it , but you might even be able to use IK to
target the "fake" cameras.  Personally, I don't understand the advantage of
multiple cameras, but would be pleased to be enlightened.  Oh - BTW - if
you did this a lot and didn't like to go through the renaming procedure,
you could construct a multiple camera scene and do a load from scene.
>
=======================================================================

That, or just making and saving multiple scenes, or targeting the camera to
different nulls and switching the parenting of the camera to different
nulls.

The advantage is of multiple cameras is simply that you can try out more
stuff within the same scene. You have a little bit of it with top, side,
front and perspective views. It would be nice to have alternate cameras so
you can compare shots without reloading. I guess you could do this by
saving the motion. I think it'd be easier to do with multiple cameras
available. Hmm come to think of it, I guess you can simulate multiple
cameras by using spot lights and saving re-using the motion for the camera?


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From: [e-mail] (MICHAEL C. LING)
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Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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On Apr 21, 1996 00:56:01 in article <Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW
5.0>, 'Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]>' wrote:


>cuts, different focal planes, set up stereoscopic viewing, character POVs,

>light POVs. A whole lot of things. Plus you might want render cameras,
>and work cameras. Once you have it it's hard to work without multiple
>cameras.
>
>I'm sure if enough people made a big deal out of it they'd add it, since
it
>isn't all that difficult to add according to one of the programmers I work

>with.

I think it is only because it never occured to them to put it in. It seems
painfully trivial compared to the BIG changes being implemented.

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From: Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Max And Tim Kreg
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> I have a feeling that this guy works for kinetix
> or is a disgruntled ex-newtek employee
> or Hired by Play to bad mouth Lightwave on the net during NAB

Paranoid are we? :)

> His posts are full of inaccuracies (spelling? speaking of inaccuracies!)
> Lightwave has had animated texture maps for quite awhile.
> The plugins do fully integrate into the program.
> Seamless??  phuh!
> 3ds lensfx  results are NOT as good as lightwaves' native lens flares
> More buttons to click, thats all.

I can't say much about spelling since I am a terrible typist and never re-
read what I write. In defense of the guy though, I think what he meant
was by using an animation as a texture, like if you could be able to
apply an AVI, MPEG, QT, FLIC, or whatever as a texture. It is just an
easier way to do animated textures than using a whole series of images.
I think MAX is really seamless as is most of LW so that isn't a major
concern for me. LensFX does LW lens flares as well as Photoshop lens
flares as well as predefined LensFX flares or create your own style flares.
With Inferno LensFX also does very nice explosions and such effects,
plus it does rack focus effects and other camera style FX. It's a little
more than a few extra buttons.

> and Max's (I know because I have it) so called modelles approach
> I find crowded compared to Lightwaves 2 pronged approach
> and the film shoot metaphor of Layout is elegant.

Speaking of spelling :)(hint:Modeless). I think this is all user prefrence,
but I see many programs taking the modeless approach: Softimage, Alias,
MAX, Truespace, Real3D, pretty much all Mac 3D programs. But I have used
3DS for DOS as well as Imagine for years without much of a complaint for
switching for tasks. I don't care much either way, as long as my stuff
turns out looking good in the end.

Jeff

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Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: FS:  Lightwave 3D 4.0 for SGI
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 01:06:20 -0400
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For Sale,

Lightwave 3D 4.0.  Lists from Xaos Tools for $2495, Asking $1500.

Here's the deal -->  I tried to sell it with an Indigo a while back, but
I could only sell the machine.

Includes original program CD, all documentation, manuals and licensing
information.

Any questions or interest, please email.


Thanks!


Andrew Milkis
[e-mail]

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In article: <[e-mail]>  [e-mail] writes:
> Try some of the DESKTOP IMAGES videos by either Lee Stranahan, or better yet, a
> little more advanced tapes by Ron "The 3D God" Thornton (B5 fame in case you're
> wondering).  These are all very good tapes and bring you thru practically ALL of
> the options on Modeler and Layout.
>
> Hope this helps.
> Bob


Do the Lee Stranahan tapes cover Lightwave 4.0?


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From: [e-mail] (Mark W)
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Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
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Hey,

As no-one seems to have mentioned it, the single biggest reason why LW
is favoured over 3DS is that LW's renderer produces very good looking
images whereas 3DS's renderer is widely regarded as being good for
making low res computer game images and nothing else.

Before all you 3DS junkies attempt to savage me, I want to point out
that I use 3DS at work just about every working hour of every working
day.  I like it, but...  If you need convincing images at TV res then
forget it, buy something else.

The truly sad part of all this is that if reports are to be believed
then the only part of 3DS that hasn't been spruced up for MAX is...
yes, you've guessed it... the renderer.

-MarkW-

and hey... I'm on ValNet, which doesn't have newsgroup coverage worth
shit, I'm missing three quarters of the postings from every group and
you know what they said?  They said "We need more memory to store it
all, if more people complained then we'd get it."  I guess I won't be
with ValNet very long...



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Did you notice that in directory objects/flags/europe there are object
files for Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia!?

Don't those people know that these countries cease to exist about five
years ago? ;^)

I wonder who could possibly need such objects...

--
[e-mail]
Eldar Cholich
Athens' ISP, Inc.
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From: [e-mail](William A. Mendez )
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: 5.0 (map or math motion plug-in)
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Hello,

has anyone hear of this new plug-in being developed for 5.0 called map
or math motion?  Is this similar to MAX's $1500 biped plug-in?

Will Mendez

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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Any good LW books or magazines?
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Do the Lee Stranahan tapes cover Lightwave 4.0?
----------------

We'll be annoucing 4 new tapes in the next couple of days....

A two tape set called (probably) the LightWave 5.0 Crash Course - close to
4 hours of brand new training designed mainly to get people up, running
and doing cool stuff in LightWave 5.0

And - two tapes co-hosted with my brother Ken - A SERIOUS LightWave 'god'
if there ever was one - he'll cover modeling and animation techiniques
including MetaNurbs, Metaform, IK, bones, etc etc....Ken built the
Hammerheads on Space, the EVA suit on seaQuest, worked on the 'Water
Women' on Hercules....on and on.....these two tapes are lessons from the
best there it....


_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan

"I shot a half hour, 35mm movie with professional quality visual effects
for around $5000 - and I can show you how to do it, too."
Access DeniedURL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/access.htm

Lee's Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm

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From: [e-mail] (MICHAEL C. LING)
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Subject: Volumetric lighting
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On Apr 21, 1996 02:48:01 in article <Re: Question about 5.0>,
'[e-mail] (MICHAEL C. LING)' wrote:


>I think the important thing whether 3D MAX actually does volumetric
>lighting and shadows as opposed to internally incorporating the
transparent
>cone trick. So far I have seen only two pictures of 3DMAX and its alledged

>volumetric lighting and it did not look at accurate in those
examples(light
>coming thru exhaust fans, and skylight in a musuem). It mainly looked like

>fractal noise atmospheric stuff.
>
=====================================================

A follow-up. I went back to see the BLUEBAY.jpg(the one with the light
coming in through exhaust fans) and it was casting shadows where it should.
I was mistaken. VL is a pretty neat thing to have. I hope the VL plug-in
comes soon. I imagine a plug-in like that would be a variation on the
shadow mapping function, once it gets a silohuette of the shadowed item, it
can extrude a cone back into the light source, while searching along the
light tube to where the object is and make the tube 100% transparent in
front of the object.


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From: [e-mail] (MICHAEL C. LING)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,
Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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On Apr 21, 1996 16:47:21, 'Tim Krego <[e-mail]>' wrote:


>At 12:30 PM 4/21/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>The claim is that there is real Volumetric Lighting, but the two samples
I
>>had seen did not match the light source or the shadows.That's why I
wonder
>>if the VL was faked or simply does not work. Have you seen examples where

>>the volumetric lighting cast accurate silohuetted shadows through the
haze?
>
>What samples are you referring to? The only pic I have seen with VL
shadows
>was a funky vase with a polyhedra for a rose with shadows on the table.
>
>

Here is the www address.

http://www.torcomp.com/3dmax.htm

I looked the bluebay.jpg image again and I was mistaken; the shadows were
correct.
There's a picture of headlights underwater with varying density of light
that I overlooked last time.
I wonder how long volumetric lighting takes to render versus regular?


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From: [e-mail](William Teegarden)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Possibly DUMB question re: LW4.0
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
writes:
>
>To all LW guru's:
>
>    Ok, this may sound dumb but I can't seem to figure this out.
>
>    I just bought LW4.0 (Intel NT), I've used the Amiga versions for
years.
>My problem is this:
>
>        I created a simple TEXT logo and surfaced it as usual.
The
>problem lies in the lighting.  If I turn AMBIENT light to 0% and the
ONLY light
>down to 0%, shouldn't the image render black?  I can't seem to get the
>light/ambient to cause the image to go dark.  What am I doing wrong?
I've tried
>all 3 types of light, with, and without falloff.  Ambient at 0-5%, and
the ONLY
>light source at anywhere from 80-0%.  The image always seems to be the
same
>brightness.
>    Oh, BTW:, I'm set in the Camera options to Realistic, Trace
Shadows.
>
>    Any clues would be GREATLY appreciated!
>
>Thanks,
>Bob
>


Are your surfaces possibly luminous?

GT


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----------
Hired by Play to bad mouth Lightwave on the net during NAB
---------

Why would you think for a second that Play - who have no real stake in
LightWave, although a bunch of people there do like it - would do this?
Play is far more successful in it's first year or so than NewTek ever
was....they don't really care much...


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From: Bryant Reif <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Any LW5.0 betatesters with info?
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Adam Ives Chrystie wrote:
>
> In <4ldchn$4n1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Steven Johansen) writes:
>
> >       Well now that LW5 has been announced I presume that all NDA's
> >have run their course.
> >       Would any of the LW5 beta-testers who frequent this group care
> >to share their opinions of the new release.

[SNIP]

> >               Are MetaBlobs simply a modelling function or are they
> >       animatable in Layout ?(eg. Blobs deform if moved closer to the
> >       sphere of influence of other Blobs)
>
>  Metablobs...i musta missed that feature in 5.0 do you mean uh i think it
> is called metanurbs???? if so, it is a modeling feature.

I think he is refering to the MetaBalls plug-in for LW 5.0  I seem to recall
someone saying that they were not animatable.  But don't quote me on that!

>
> >               How realtime are OpenGl realtime previews in both
> >       Modeller and Layout, at what rez, at what colour depth?
> >       What hardware is necessary to support it (ie. your system)
> >

{SNIP}

> Using open gl on a 256 color screen SUCKS!! 24bit is teh way to go...i do
> not think it makes too much of a time difference if youuse a 24bit screen
> or a 16-bit screen.

Switching to a lower color depth almost always speeds up your screen redraw.  But
nothing helps like a couple more megs of video RAM, eh?

> ----------------------------------
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> Cinema/Video Major, Senior
> University Of California at Santa Cruz

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Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]> wrote:
: Mark Dunakin wrote:
: >
: > SG> For those of you who don't know what it is, Meshpaint allows you to paint
: > SG> textures directly on an object once you've set up the texture locations.
: > SG> Like Amazon Paint on the SGI.
: > ----------------
: > I keep on hearing abvout this MeshPaint and would like to know where do I go
: > to find out about it?.......thanx..........md

: MeshPaint is sold by Digimation, but it is still a far cry from Tarna or Amazon
: Paint on the SGI. But it seems to have gotten a lot better with the Windows version.

Yeah, but it's cheap. Best way to use it is to get your textures looking OK,
then refine them in Fractal Painter or Photoshop. I also think they support
LW format directly. I can't seem to find their card or brochure, but
I also haven't completely unpacked from NAB yet (I'm babysitting a 1.2
million polygon raytraced scene that has to be finished Monday morning).

: Jeff

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From: Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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MICHAEL C. LING <[e-mail]> wrote:
: On Apr 21, 1996 00:56:01 in article <Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW
: 5.0>, 'Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]>' wrote:
:
:
: >cuts, different focal planes, set up stereoscopic viewing, character POVs,

: >light POVs. A whole lot of things. Plus you might want render cameras,
: >and work cameras. Once you have it it's hard to work without multiple
: >cameras.
:
: I think it is only because it never occured to them to put it in. It seems
: painfully trivial compared to the BIG changes being implemented.

It's not to people who have actually used them. Like most unfamiliar
features, you can't truly comprehend how it can improve your work or work
flow until you have used it and then try to do without it. On any given
project that I work on, I usually have 6 or more cameras which allow me
to view what I need to, and that's only if I'm using one of them for
rendering. I've gotten used to relying on really esoteric features.

But what you bring up is important. Newtek and other PC software makers
tend to add only the features that they think will sell more programs.
SGI programs often add features that are incomprehensible at first,
because the original users who demanded them were doing effects that had
never been done before, so their function may not be readily apparent.

On top of that, most high end users aren't even allowed to talk about how
they use certain features, since that is considered a proprietary
advantage for the company they work for, if not career security for the
artist/user. So unless Newtek bought a copy of Alias and the SGI to go
with it (and full blown Alias PowerAnimator costs around $45K), they'd
have no idea what it has under the hood.

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Ben Cannon <[e-mail]> wrote:

>[e-mail] (Cory Tucker) wrote:

>>Here's where you show your silliness best.  The only time my OS/2
>>486DX4-100 with 24Mb churned the disk severely was during boot up, and
>>that was due to the fact that it was creating the 25Mb swapper.dat
>>file.  Have you tried NT on a 486 with only 24Mb?

>I am typing this on a Intel 486-80 running NT with a mere 16 megs of RAM!!!
>WIth Service Pack #4, NT blazes. almost as fast as Linux and faster than Win 3.11
>(16-bit apps)

>--
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>____________________________________________________________
>ftp://168.75.111.2/ben.htm Between 3:00 and 9:00 Everyday.
>This is great, a FTPed website, over a 14.4k modem, no
>less!!

Yer high,  my girlfriend does all her work on a NT network, I'm not
sure what the server is but her machine is a P133 with 64 megs ram...I
wouldn't think the server is anything less..., the thing crashes
consistently whenever she runs a 16 bit app, and everything I have
read comparing NT, 95, 3.X say that NT runs 32 bit apps better than 95
16 bit apps better than 95 but 3.X runs 16 bit apps better than
either...and from my own experience OS/2 on a DX4 100 runs 16 bit win
apps just as good as windows....PLUS when one of them apps does
finally crash all I have to do is close the Win-OS/2 session...problem
solved..sure beats re-booting the system, just because an app crashed.




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Any of you folks get to see that 500Mhz Raptor 3 we were demonstrating in the
DeskStation booth at NAB?  That baby really screams!  A specific example I
recall off the top of my head... Load the Watership scene that came with 4.0
(in the Vehicles dir).  Turn off field rendering, turn on low AA, show while
rendering and full-screen display.  This beast did it in 11 seconds (while
playing the Perception card).  I'd be interested in results on your systems...

-David




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Don't those people know that these countries cease to exist about five
years ago? ;^)

I wonder who could possibly need such objects...
-------------------


That's it - this is the last straw! I'm returning LightWave....


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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Tim Krego)
writes:
>
>On Thu, 18 Apr 96 04:48:23 GMT, [e-mail] (Gord Davison)
>wrote:
>>>Seamless Plugin Architecture    Nope
>> ^^^^^^^^
>>  How do you define *seamless*?
>
>Where a plugin works just like it was a feature of the program. This
>is in the underlying architecture of MAX and I think LW's plugin
>architecture doesn't support it in LW 4.0. I haven't seen LW 5.0, just
>the posts, so I don't know if the plugin stuff has been expanded.
>
>For example. In LW Modeler 4.0, Fori's PowerView is an external plugin
>that kicks you out of Modeler until you exit. In MAX it is just
>another viewport. With LW 5.0 supporting OpenGL that may be fixed, but
>other plugins are still external.

Funny, everything looks like part of the program to me.

AC


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: The only thing that I am really disapointed to learn is that LW 5.0 will
: not offer any volumetric light, like 3DS Max or SoftImage.


I spoke to Mark Thompson about volumetric lighting in MAX and his
response was that it was basically useless (i.e. very poor looking).
You'll have better luck creating it by hand in LW than you will using the
built in version in MAX.  I can't comment on SI, as we didn't talk about
volumetrics in SI.

Paul

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FS: Lightwave for Intel       $600.00

Newtek says they will transfer S/N to you.

I also have a DPS Vector Scope $400.00

Paul
612.574-9973

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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Pål Gunnar Sletsjøe) writes:

>Lightwave 5 sounds very cool, but there is something that`s bothering me, is
>LW 5 going to support CyberGFX ? I hate to work in interlaced on my A1084,
>when I could have been using it on my 15" SVGA instead :)

>--
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>                                             Using Thor 2.22 #1255

Use a screen promoter like Promotion Prefs (PPrefs) to put LW on any
legal screen in the display database. I have an an 860 x 612 Workbench
Super 72 screen mode and I promote LW onto a screen 'Like Workbench'.
I can then run LW and select either the 640x512 or 800x600 screen sizes.
Works great and there's no flicker.

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From: [e-mail](William Teegarden)
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In <4lab20$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Saiyad Abdul) writes:
>
>
>Does 5.0 have anything like expressions in Softimage?.....I think that
>feature is so darn useful. For those that don't know expressions is a
SI
>feature that allows mathematical expressions to be attributed to
objects.
>A very simple example would be to create an expression for the
rotation of
>wheel based on it's movement on any axis....I will be one happy camper
if
>5.0 has a similar system/feature..
>
>Sai


Pack your bags and tent then, because such a feature is available
through the motion graph plug-in attribute.

I won't say who the developer is yet or when it's going to ship, but I
used a beta version of it to march a whole colony of termites by
linking their walk cycle to the forward movement of a null object.  By
adjusting the velocity of the null, or reversing it's direction, you
can control the pace at which the feet move through the cycle, thus
enabling very complex movements in very short periods of time.

I had about 20 termites all running around their own motion paths, all
at different velocities, and it worked great.

GT
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From: Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]>
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> Yeah, but it's cheap. Best way to use it is to get your textures looking OK,
> then refine them in Fractal Painter or Photoshop. I also think they support
> LW format directly. I can't seem to find their card or brochure, but
> I also haven't completely unpacked from NAB yet (I'm babysitting a 1.2
> million polygon raytraced scene that has to be finished Monday morning).

I believe they added Lightwave support when they made the Windows version. They
still continue to make it as a plug-in for 3DS and now MAX too.

Jeff
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> I spoke to Mark Thompson about volumetric lighting in MAX and his
> response was that it was basically useless (i.e. very poor looking).
> You'll have better luck creating it by hand in LW than you will using the
> built in version in MAX.  I can't comment on SI, as we didn't talk about
> volumetrics in SI.

HAHAHA, ok, I'll bite on this flame bait. I suggest you check out...
http://www.torcomp.com/3dmax.htm. Scroll down to the images done by MAX
Beta testers. You will see some nice volumetric lighting examples.One
obvious example is cherub.jpg.

Jeff
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<<The truly sad part of all this is that if reports are to be believed
then the only part of 3DS that hasn't been spruced up for MAX is...
yes, you've guessed it... the renderer.>>

Untrue. The changes to 3D Studio MAX's renderer are obvious -- deeper
color saturation, sharper textures without scintillation, true volumetric
lights, and greatly improved materials editing allowing you to create
layers upon layers of textures on objects, including layers of masks and
effects channels. There's a White Paper on the Kinetix Web page which has
a complete technical list of the changes.

In the last five years, I've worked with 3D packages ranging from 3DS4,
Softimage, Alias and 3DS MAX. Each program has its own strengths and
weaknesses, and each has a different "look" to its renderer. However, the
final output is more a product of an individual artist's skill than the
individual code comprising each program's renderer. Anyone who can't get
excellent results from any of the above packages simply doesn't know that
he or she is doing.

-- Jon

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In <4l8uvt$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Christopher
Stewart) writes:
Hello All,

Not that it matters to me but if LW is available for the MAC is it also
available for Power PC's running NT?

I feel that MIPS and Power PC's Running NT never got off ground why?

Will Mendez
ALPHA/NT

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Steve Mattapan wrote:
>
>
>
> I bought Max and It Was a big mistake so take 15% off New and it is yours.
>
> I prefer Lightwave for my needs and with the money I saved I can get a
> perception card----
How long did you use it for?  This sounds silly, but did you give it a chance?  I'm a LONG time LW
user, but here at work we just got Softimage NT and I still jump back to LW to knock off logos, etc.
But I know I have to give the new program(SI) some time to get comfortable with it.  As being in
the market for my freelance business, what didn't you like about MAX?(other than the inflated price)

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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> To all LW guru's:
>
>         Ok, this may sound dumb but I can't seem to figure this out.
>
>         I just bought LW4.0 (Intel NT), I've used the Amiga versions for years.
> My problem is this:
>
>                 I created a simple TEXT logo and surfaced it as usual.  The
> problem lies in the lighting.  If I turn AMBIENT light to 0% and the ONLY light
> down to 0%, shouldn't the image render black?  I can't seem to get the
> light/ambient to cause the image to go dark.  What am I doing wrong?  I've tried
> all 3 types of light, with, and without falloff.  Ambient at 0-5%, and the ONLY
> light source at anywhere from 80-0%.  The image always seems to be the same
> brightness.
>         Oh, BTW:, I'm set in the Camera options to Realistic, Trace Shadows.
>
>         Any clues would be GREATLY appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
> Bob--------

Check your material settings, are you using luminous or reflection maps?

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From: [e-mail] (PMshark)
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We should all be so lucky. :)
PJ
[e-mail]
Visual Designer

"Look and you will find it--what is unsought will go undetected"
SOPHOCLES

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From: [e-mail] (Marc Hartsuiker)
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On 21 Apr 1996 07:24:53 GMT, David Forbus <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>What's this about AMIGA Technologies being sold to an american cable box
>manufacturer? Does anybody care? Does it matter?
>
>DLF

Hmm.. i don't know about this amiga technologie being sold to an
american cable box manufacturer but i do know that most (all?) amiga
technologie was bought by a large german pc-concern. They are planning
on remarketing the amiga and especially the upper level amiga's.

Marc



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I have been working on a project for weeks now...
If I use the switcher and the effect (spinning explosion) or something
like that it works. I effect I'm trying for is ...
I have a hand drawn picture of EARTH also made into brush.
I'm trying to wrap this onto a sphere(planet) but it always screws up
and the planet might spin but the texture doesn't.
If someone has this already made up You could save me time & money.
Lets work this out...
please help.
E-Mail : [e-mail]



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From: Henri Smulders <[e-mail]>
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InstntGuts wrote:
> No flames or software comparisons, please; I'm only mentioning this to
> clarify the situation, not to start another "us vs. them" war that wastes
> the good time of both Lightwave and 3D Studio users. Instead, let's all go
> out there and do cool work -- no matter what software we use!
> -- Jon    AMEN; Brother! Wish more people could be as 'unbiased' as you. Although maybe it is just me but the LW vs. MAX
thread seems to have had quite interesting viewpoints from a lot of people and a few rehashed boring viewpoints from a
few people. I personnally would LOVE to own MAX next to LW! Since I make my living programming and this happens to just
be a hobby of mine: I don't think so!

Hajo

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David Hopkins wrote:
>
> Any of you folks get to see that 500Mhz Raptor 3 we were demonstrating in the
> DeskStation booth at NAB?  That baby really screams!  A specific example I
> recall off the top of my head... Load the Watership scene that came with 4.0
> (in the Vehicles dir).  Turn off field rendering, turn on low AA, show while
> rendering and full-screen display.  This beast did it in 11 seconds (while
> playing the Perception card).  I'd be interested in results on your systems...
>
> -David----

what frame? At frame 1 with above settings, I rendered in 21 sec.  I am using an Intergraph
TDZ-300(single 150MHz PentPro) that was bundled with SI/NT for $15,500.  How much was the Raptor?

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From: [e-mail] (Tony Schreiner)
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On 20 Apr 1996 23:47:11 GMT, [e-mail] (Bill Leonard) wrote:

>In article <31794e56.1968420@news>, [e-mail] (Tony
>Schreiner) wrote:
>
>[]>I agree.  Up here at my college I have access to Alias7 on some REALLY
>[]>nice SGI's, but I would much rather use the LW modeler for creating
>[]>objects.
>
>If that's how you feel, you need to spend more time with Alias.  You don't
>understand the power.
>
>Of course if you're just making spheres and walls I guess it doesn't matter...

Oh, I know that Alias has a lot of power -- I have seen some of the
incredible images that it creates.  I am also aware that it has the
best spline modeling available.

On the other hand, it is a lot less intuitive and therefore harder to
use than Lightwave.  I am still no expert, but I picked up modeling in
LW quickly back on an Amiga with a Video Toaster.  Now, I get the
chance to use LW 4.0 on a PC every once in a while and I'm saving so
that I can buy 5.0 this summer.  I gave Alias a chance and I'm really
still trying to learn to use it.  I walked through the first few
tutorials in the manual without much difficulty but the interface
seemed to get in the way.

I'm not going to give up on Alias, though.  I'll try to learn it while
I have access to it up here at my university.

I'm doing a "little" more than just spheres and walls...Feel free to
check out my home page's graphics gallery.  I model all my own
objects.  (http://holly.colostate.edu/~tschrein)


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: [e-mail]   :  INTP.  TKD.  Major: Computer Science  :
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VirtualBri ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Hmm, $495 to upgrade to 5.0, or $2495 for Electric Image, $3495 for MAX,
: $7995 for SoftImage?

Actually, it's $495 to upgrade from 3DS 4.0 to Max.  I just got a card in
the mail about that.


Steve

Disclaimer: I use Lightwave.

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From: [e-mail] (Christopher Stewart)
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In a message dated 20 Apr 1996 19:02:41 [e-mail](Christopher writes:

C> I am running LW4.0 on Intel. Just up graded to Win 95 and tried to
C> render some animation and got this message

C> " error starting program
C>   the AVIFIL32.dll file is linked to missing export NTDLL.DLL:memmove"

C> Any sugestions.

     Go to http://www.netcom.com/~amg/ and follow John Gross's tips on
getting AVI's to work. Go into your LW.cfg and delete all the references
to plug-ins. Reload your plugin's in Layout and shut it down (to save
the settings). Use the Newtek .avi saver. If the saver dosen't appear
in your list of options make sure there isn't a copy of avifil32.dll in
the programs directory. I just got it working after four months of
fiddling. I copied over the cont32 directory manually when I
first installed (as the installer was giving me errors) and had that
extra bugger lying around...

Christopher

ps. Until 5.0 manages to fling itself at my door, does anybody have
    a workaround for the shadow mapping crashes when making an
    animation?

pps. Anybody managed to grab a mpeg saver that works with LW?

ppps. If you're doing web work, check out Arnie Cachlin's (sp?)
      page off the www.newtek.com website. He's got a transparent
      gif saver for LW hidden away there....


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Vaibhav Goel wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>,
>  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> >MY point was that wouldn't you want to use what the pros are using if it was
> >the same price or LESS than lesser software?
>
> You just don't get it do you?  No, I wouldnt buy a software based on how
> many pro shops are using it even if it costs less.  I would set a budget
> for myself, say $1000 or whatever and then I would go about evaluating
> the _features_ of the program and see which offers the most bang for the
> buck.  If I found that a software that can do what I wanted to do and
> within that budget I set for myself, I'd buy that software rather then
> jumping on the bandwagon and getting what everyone all the pro-shops are
> getting.
>
> --
> [ Vaibhav Goel ]--[ [e-mail] ]--[ UNIX/Networking/3D Graphics]
> ["Take control of the machine now!" - Utah Saints]
> [Check out: http://www.inforamp.net/~vgoel if you want]----

Except what if are interviewing at those "pro-shops"?  Years back, when I was
hitting the pavement, The interviewees liked my reel, but when told it was
done in Lightwave, would get disgusted faces and I'd never hear from them
again.  Yes, talent is foremost, but in my experience, you better have that "hit-list"
of pro-shop software on your resume to at least get a foot in the door.

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Butch Newton wrote:
>
> On Sat, 20 Apr 1996 20:55:40 GMT, [e-mail] (Tony
> Schreiner) wrote:
> >If NewTek plays everything right, Lightwave has a spot at becoming THE
> >standard 3-D rendering program.  Lightwave is feature packed and has a
> >huge advantage of being available on so many platforms.
>
> It will be tough to catch 3DS. They are THE standard program when it
> comes to PC's. They also have the largest share of the WHOLE 3D market
> at 55%.


That's like saying McDonalds is the standard restaurant.
Doesn't mean they're the best, just that they've served n-billion.

I look at LW as the MAD COW disease, could put a dent in Mickey D's
sales.

There's that darn cow again :)

-Ace

--
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can anyone mail me an adress where i can get the Pyromania CD in Germany
or Europe?



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Where can i find Plugins for Lightwave-Intel who break an object in many
smaller objects, so i can explode it


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My question is about the requirements for 5.0's Open GL.  What hardware will I
need to implement so as to use Open GL?  I've heard of GLint and GLoria...is
this the route to take?


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> In message <[e-mail]> - Robert Pumer <[e-mail]> writes:
> :
> :me wrote:
> :>
> :> In article <[e-mail]>,
> :>         [e-mail] (Millenium) writes:
> :>
> :> >The GUI is not very user friendly, and I
> :> >just wasn't impressed with it over all. I will stick with Micro$oft -
> :> >any one else out there have OS/2 horror stories?

Yeah, I installed OS/2 WARP a while back, but after the 6th time I had
to reinstall it due to OS/2 trashing my harddrive I went with NT and
never looked back!!!! B.T.W .. I can't even give the OS/2 software away!!!!



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From: [e-mail](Jeffrey R. Hammond )
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In <4lc1ie$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Stranahan)
writes:
>
>hammed said...
>--------------------
> deleted
>-------------------
>
>Well, here's the deal - when we announced LightWave 4.0, we basically
>(because of bandwidth issues) had a choice between SGI and Macs. We
picked
>SGI, because we wanted LightWave to be taken seriously as a
professional
>application.
>
>What we didn't take into account was how quickly the Alpha would
become a
>very acceptable standard for pros. Given that, the Mac would have been
a
>better choice for financial reasons.
>
>In addition, there are few real Mac fans at NewTek; when I was there,
>others HATED Macs and made fun of them. Personally, I like 'em
more....
>

So does this explain the big stink Electric Image made at NAB about
their new pricing. I believe they were around $7995 before NAB. At the
show they were yelling $2495. ;-) What a little competition will do!!

Everyone I talked to said they will have Alpha compiled software before
the year is up. Most will be showing it at SIGGRAPH. These where MAC
and Unix people talking.

I can't wait for August to role around.

Jeff Hammond
J.R. Animations Co.

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On Apr 21, 1996 18:12:16 in article <Re: LightWave 5.0 at NAB>, 'Jeff
Jasper <[e-mail]>' wrote:






           Its more art than 'features'  a good artist could produce
a wonderful animation on the lowly simply 3d,  tough yes
cost effective -no.  but I am sure it could be done.


but a bad artist will produce trash even on softimage.

and they do, just watch a little tv!   :-)


>I wouldn't say run rings around any of them, but be competitive. MAX still
has
>
>fetures that are not in LW as LW has features that are not in MAX and
Alias and
>
>Softimage are the same. The nice thing about MAX is that is just started
>shipping
>a few days ago and there are already a heap of plug-ins for it. I just
think
>the
>PC markey has really caught up to the SGI market. Of course I have yet to
see
>Maya. That could slant things quite a bit when it ships.
>
>Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (AFrerking)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Sparks -or- Particle Storm?
Date: 22 Apr 1996 11:48:30 -0400
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In article <N.041496.094313.69@Pent90>, [e-mail] writes:

>Does anyone have any info on the difference between Sparks(Metrografx)
and
>Particle Storm(Dynamic Realties) for Lightwave(Intel).
>
> Is there a Web site from these two companies where I can get some
>information.
>Does anyone recommend any particular plug-in over the other. And why?

Particle Storm offers real-time interactive previewing.  You can see your
particle effects as you generate them.  We do have a web page at
http://members.aol.com/dynreal


Andy
Dynamic Realities
http://members.aol.com/dynreal

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From: Ace Miles <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Possibly DUMB question re: LW4.0
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 08:47:50 -0700
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> To all LW guru's:
>
>         Ok, this may sound dumb but I can't seem to figure this out.
>
>         I just bought LW4.0 (Intel NT), I've used the Amiga versions for years.
> My problem is this:
>
>                 I created a simple TEXT logo and surfaced it as usual.  The
> problem lies in the lighting.  If I turn AMBIENT light to 0% and the ONLY light
> down to 0%, shouldn't the image render black?  I can't seem to get the
> light/ambient to cause the image to go dark.  What am I doing wrong?  I've tried
> all 3 types of light, with, and without falloff.  Ambient at 0-5%, and the ONLY
> light source at anywhere from 80-0%.  The image always seems to be the same
> brightness.
>         Oh, BTW:, I'm set in the Camera options to Realistic, Trace Shadows.
>
>         Any clues would be GREATLY appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
> Bob


I would bet you have a reflection map and it's set to a high level.

-Ace
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From: [e-mail] (Steven Johansen)
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Subject: Re: LW Features?
Date: 23 Apr 1996 01:36:00 +1000
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    With regard to Lightwaves texture animation capabilities:

    As others have pointed out you can animate texture velocity
in the x,y and z co-ordidinates.
    Also the wave speed of the water based textures can be controlled.
    But unless you morph multiple copies of your objects you cannot
animate any other texture parameter, ie colours,sizes,bump strengths,etc etc.
    Certainly not in LW 4, if LW 5 was able to do so I think it would have
been mentioned here by now.

    Steven

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From: [e-mail] (Steven Johansen)
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Subject: Re: Possibly DUMB question re: LW4.0
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[e-mail] writes:

>To all LW guru's:
>
>    Ok, this may sound dumb but I can't seem to figure this out.

>    I just bought LW4.0 (Intel NT), I've used the Amiga versions for years.
>My problem is this:

>        I created a simple TEXT logo and surfaced it as usual.  The
>problem lies in the lighting.  If I turn AMBIENT light to 0% and the ONLY light
>down to 0%, shouldn't the image render black?  I can't seem to get the
>light/ambient to cause the image to go dark.  What am I doing wrong?  I've tried
>all 3 types of light, with, and without falloff.  Ambient at 0-5%, and the ONLY
>light source at anywhere from 80-0%.  The image always seems to be the same
>brightness.
>    Oh, BTW:, I'm set in the Camera options to Realistic, Trace Shadows.

>    Any clues would be GREATLY appreciated!

>Thanks,
>Bob

    Hmmm, wierd.

    What kind of surface are you using? If you have spherical mapped
or background reflections enabled they may be causing the problem.

    Steven

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From: [e-mail] (Steven Johansen)
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Subject: Re: Texture Mapping Problem? Any Ideas?
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[e-mail] (Kurt Harmel) writes:

>I have a complex object full of spheres and cylindars, all at
>funny angles. Heres the problem; one cylindar needs to be mapped as
>if it were sitting flat on an X ,Y or Z axis in Modeler. Its sitting at a
>45 degree angle. As a result, the texture looks distorted in Layout. Now
>if I had the cylindar sitting flat in modeler, it would be no problem;
>but it needs to intersect the rest of the model at this funny 45 degree
>angle. It seems the only solution may be to make this cylindar a separate
>object and rotate the it in layout. That seems like a real PAIN!


    One cylinder??

>Is there a better way?

>Thanks!

>P.S.

>Does anyone know the Intel upgrade price for 5.0?
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From: [e-mail] (Pål Gunnar Sletsjøe)
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Gaven Eogan wrote this in comp.graphics.apps.lightwave:

>>Lightwave 5 sounds very cool, but there is something that`s bothering me, is
>>LW 5 going to support CyberGFX ? I hate to work in interlaced on my A1084,
>>when I could have been using it on my 15" SVGA instead :)
>Use a screen promoter like Promotion Prefs (PPrefs) to put LW on any
>legal screen in the display database. I have an an 860 x 612 Workbench
>Super 72 screen mode and I promote LW onto a screen 'Like Workbench'.
>I can then run LW and select either the 640x512 or 800x600 screen sizes.
>Works great and there's no flicker.
Yes I know that, but it dosn`t help me very much, because LW running on the
CyberGFX card is much slower than usual :/ Real support is what I need.

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Screamer net slow on RGB write...
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:12:14 GMT
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    I have a screamernet set up consisting of a 486 (controller) w/16 megs
of ram running WIN 95, a pentium 90 w/32 megs of ram running WIN 95, a
dual pentium 100 with 40 megs of ram running NT WORKSTATION, a 486/66
(network server) with 16 megs of ram running NT SERVER and a 486/66
with 16 megs of ram running NT WORKSTATION (frame storage).
     While rendering a very simple series of frames, the pentium 90
is rendering one frame every 7 sec, the 486/66 (server) one frame
every 17 sec. But, the dual pentium 100 ( 2 SN nodes ) is taking 25 to
30 sec per frame.
    The 1/2 & 2/2 passes are very quick, approx 5 sec, but during the
"writing RGB file" prompt, the computer stalls for the additional 20
to 25 seconds.
    Has anyone had or know what will take care of this problem?


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From: [e-mail] (Bill Leonard)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Lightwave for Mac
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:47:54 +0100
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In article <4l8q1i$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Adam
Ives Chrystie) wrote:

> Well, now that after effects is comming out for Windows NT..what edge
> does Mac have over the 'dark side' (intel/windows)???? Speed,
> Price??..Hmm I dunno..lightwaves late port to mac and the fact that after
> effects is available for windows NT does not help Mac..i bet after
> effects will get ported to Alpha too..and SGI..it htink it is already
> availalbe on SGI!!

Umm, no.  After Effects is not on SGI.

All of these apps will be available on Wintel sooner or later, but do you
know why they're doing it?  Not because it's a better platform.  It's
because they want the money.

The Mac continues to provide a richer overall computing experience, which
adds an inteageble quality that can't be bought for any price on another
system.

>
> Adam
> --
> ----------------------------------
> Adam Chrystie LightWave 3D Animator
> Cinema/Video Major, Senior
> University Of California at Santa Cruz

Bill Leonard - [e-mail]
cyber.lab g.f.x.
Orlando, Florida

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From: [e-mail] (Bill Leonard)
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In article <317b8aba.649276@news>, [e-mail] (Tony
Schreiner) wrote:

> >If that's how you feel, you need to spend more time with Alias.  You don't
> >understand the power.
> >
> >Of course if you're just making spheres and walls I guess it doesn't
matter...

I just realized how silly this post sounded.  I apologize for the
condescending tone it carried with it!  It's not really how I meant to say
what I said!

Sorry.

Bill Leonard - [e-mail]
cyber.lab g.f.x.
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Leonard)
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Subject: Re: Lightwave for Mac / PPC NT?
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In article <4leao8$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail](William A. Mendez ) wrote:

> I feel that MIPS and Power PC's Running NT never got off ground why?

Because SGI (IRIX/Indigo Magic) and Apple (MacOS) have better operating
systems available for those processors.  No one _wants_ to use NT, they're
usually forced into it.


> Will Mendez
> ALPHA/NT

Bill Leonard - [e-mail]
cyber.lab g.f.x.
Orlando, Florida

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From: Prem Subrahmanyam <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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VirtualBri wrote:
>
> Questions and corrections:
>
> >Animatable Booleans            Nope
> What would you use this for that a morph wouldn t do?

Well, say you wanted to animate a cylinder intersecting a sphere
and passing through it perpendicular to the cylinder's axis, making
the portion that's hollow change location on the sphere....now,
try that with a morph.

>
> >Anim channels independent      Anim channels linked
> Explain?

In Lightwave, when you make a keyframe, it keyframes all aspects
of that object for that frame...position, scale, and rotation.
So, if you get your rotation just right and then add a positional
keyframe, all the sudden you have a rotation keyframe added, messing
up your rotation keyframes.  In 3ds, you can add as many position
keyframes without affecting rotation or scale.  The only way to
accomplish this in Lightwave is to use a multiparent null hierarchy
to manipulate an object, where you set position keyframes on the
"oldest" parent, rotations on the "next oldest" parent, and scale
on the "youngest" parent, etc.  When I first started using LW after
using 3ds for almost 2 years, I found the non-separate keyframe
channels to be very annoying...it's just easier with multiple channels.

>
> >Unlimited Cameras              One Camera
> You can t use more than one camera rendering, so what s the big deal?
>

This way, you can set up your scene, have multiple cameras flying
through it in different places, and choose which one to do the
rendering at render time...very useful for accident reconstructions
and the like.  To do the same in LW, you would need to have multiple
versions of the scene with the different camera motions...but what
do you do then if you need to tweak the animation that the camera(s)
are looking at?  A real pain in the donkey, if you ask me.


-- Prem
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Prem Subrahmanyam
[e-mail]
Home Page: http://dev.uol.com/~prem/index.html
Programmer, graphics designer, fossil nut extraordinaire.
"Have you seen my trilobites today?"
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From: Prem Subrahmanyam <[e-mail]>
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Subject: In defense of separate Modeler/Layout
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 11:58:59 -0400
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I've seen a lot of negative opinions expressed regarding having
separate modeler/layout programs instead of a single modeless
interface.  Well, the other day, I was working on a project where
having two separate programs helped me get done a lot quicker.
Let me explain:

Well, for starters, I have a measly Pentium 90 computer to do this,
so for those with the screaming 330+ MHz Alphas, this may not apply.

I was working on a scene, tweaking the textures, lighting and such
in Layout and re-rendering.  I finally got things pretty close and
was doing yet another render to see if I got it right.  Now, I still
needed to model some elements for this scene, in fact, they were
elements of a model already in the scene, just a need for some
more detailed stuff.  So, I just started Layout rendering and
fired up Modeler to do all my modeling work while Layout was
busy with rendering.  Just about the time the new test-render
was done, the newly modeled object was ready to go into the
scene.  So, I load up the new version of the object and fire
up a test-render.  Sure beats waiting for the new render before
starting to do anymore modeling (especially when you are working
into the wee morning hours on this after the paying work is
done).

The result can be seen at:

http://dev.uol.com/~prem/graphics.html
(hint: it's the image all the way at the bottom of the page)

-- Prem
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Prem Subrahmanyam
[e-mail]
Home Page: http://dev.uol.com/~prem/index.html
Programmer, graphics designer, fossil nut extraordinaire.
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On Sat, 13 Apr 1996 12:15:53 -0400, Jean-Eric Hénault
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>William Hamon wrote:
>>
>> In article <4ka9mg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>> >
>> >
>> >  I'm using LW4.0 on a Pentium machine with 32MB ram and 3 GB disk
>> >under Win95.  I've created an animation sequence which I am trying to
>> >render out to an .AVI file.  I've gone to the OPTIONS menu and "Add
>> >plug-ins" selection.  There, I selected "hiip\hiipsave" and received a
>> >message that the plug-in's were successfully added.  next, I go to the
>> >'RECORD" menu and select "Save Animation", supply a filename and then
>> >select "HIip-avi16(.avi)" from the animation type selections.  Next, I
>> >render.  LW goes through the motions and actually renders my
>> >animation.  HOWEVER, nothing is ever saved to disk.. anywhere.
>> >
>> >Any suggestions on why this doesn't work?  Should this work?  If not,
>> >what is the best way to generate an .AVI file of one's LW4.0
>> >animations?
>> >
>> >Thanks for any suggestions,
>> >-Jim
>> >
>>
>> Do you put the extension .avi at the end of your file name
>> (ex: anim01.AVI)?
>> If you don't, it doesn't save anything...
>> However, you can use HIip-avi32, it works perfectly!
>>
>> Bye! Ciao! Au revoir! Auf vieder sehen!
>>
>> [Emperor II...
>
>There are however a few rendering problems with LW Intel 4.0 that I am
>aware of. Saving a scene with the AVI option activated will no longer be
>able to render as AVI. If you want to render an AVI, first save your
>scene, then render it, but remember : CLEAR THE SCENE YOU JUST RENDERED
>AND DON'T SAVE IT. Re-load the scene you previously saved without the
>AVI option turned-on.
>
>Also of note, a scene containing shadow-map lights will crash when
>rendering more than one frame. It seems that when LightWave finishes a
>frame, it doesn't effectivelly clear all the allocated memory and then
>takes more RAM when it renders the next frame. This will happen until it
>runs out of RAM, then it crashes.
>
>This is a serious bug, how can you do serious animation without the
>shadow-map lights????!!!
>
>Jean-Eric Hénault
>CG Animator
>
I was to understand that this memory allocation was fixed with Rev C.
Additionally, Newtek said that an AVI should be made with the Camera
in LoRes, so the res is close to that of AVI standards. Having any
reference to the avi render in the scene file seems to have little
effect so far.

My Question to all you great minds.....
When trying to render AVI's in NT I get this error.
"Could not locate the procedure entry point private5 in the dynamic
link library winmm.dll" WinImages also produces this error.
(Which doesn't surprise me as its the buggiest software i have ever
used). I reextracted winmm.dll from the 3.51 disk but no help.
Anyone been there?











John Donlevie
Road-Ease, Inc.
Drexel Hill, PA
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From: "Pierre A. von Kaenel" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.apps.photoshop,comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win3x,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95,alt.2600,alt.bi
Subject: Re: WIN95 better than OS/2 PLEASE!!!!
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:12:34 -0400
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Whether you go with OS/2 or Win/95 or other "newer" OS's, you really
need 16 MB for good performance, especially with internet connections.

As to which one to buy, I'll tell you my story.  I've used OS/2 for
several years - loved it.  But, now everyone is going Win95 at work,
and since I administer a local LAN and I provide help for others in
my department, I really need Win95.  Since I don't have the disk space
to afford both Win95 and OS/2, I've deep sixed OS/2 (a heart wrenching
decision).  My adice - first consider the apps you need to be conpatible
with (with others you work with).  Unless you are tied to one OS, feel
free to read misc posts on the OS's, get opinions, and finally decide.

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<<<========================================================>>>
   Pierre A. von Kaenel                    Math & CS Dept.
   "Simplify, simplify, simplify"          Skidmore College

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        Hi, Gord.

g> To expand on the Photoshop seamless-texture-method [at least the way I do
g> it :-)] --
g>
g> 1. Load your image and select Filter * Other * Offset.
g> 2. Type in a horizontal offset that is half of the width of the image.
g> 3. Voila! The edges of the images will be right in the middle of the
g> graphic,    in all their unmatched glory.
g> 4. Many Photoshop tools can help make the texture seamless: smudge,
g> airbrush,    rubber stamp, sponge, selections, etc.
g> 5. Re-offset the graphic so that the edges are back where they belong, and
g>    you should be all set.

Thank you, I used to do that by hand. (the offset thing.)


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        Hi, [e-mail].

l> |>In this thread I heard of a raytracingplugin for 3ds?
l> |>I know, that is the wrong group, but has anybody some experiance with it?

l>     Sorry, can't help you here. Have you tried the 3DS list ?

Not  yet.
I will try to get it.

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Whoa!  LW 5.0?!
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:16:15 GMT
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On Wed, 17 Apr 1996 02:58:22 GMT, [e-mail] (ProPain)
wrote:

>I saw that ad too, and quickly went to the www page at the bottom of
>the ad.
>
>But of course, there was NO mention of 5.0 on the web page.
>
>Come on guys, marketing is getting ahead of your www people.  (nothing
>new)
>
Honestly I haven't seen any web page changes in months.
Doesn't look like they really care.
>
>




John Donlevie
Road-Ease, Inc.
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From: [e-mail] (E. Chasin)
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I'm looking to purchase LW3D 4.0 for Intel (or possibly Alpha).  Please
respond with offer(s).

Thanks,

Ezra

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From: [e-mail]
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On Fri, 12 Apr 96 06:44:16 GMT, [e-mail] (Kevin
Gleeson) wrote:

>In article <4kitm8$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeff Yeh) wrote:
>>In article <4kisgk$[e-mail]>,
>>WEI L LEE  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>I need Lightwave now. can anybody email me a copy please?
>>>
>>
>>Excuse me????   What stupid rational would make you believe
>>that anyone would just give you a $800 piece of software??
>>
>>Sorry, but your request isn't appreciated in this newsgroup.
>>
>
>I noticed he posted the same little crappy notice into
>comp.graphics.apps.softimage!
>
>Yeah sure I'll e-mail you $13,000 Australian worth of software!
>
>I notice his e-address is here in Australia. Someone needs to bomb Melbourne.
>
Why don't we  all uuencode a couple really big pics and start bombing
his mailbox with ziullions of free bits????



John Donlevie
Road-Ease, Inc.
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From: [e-mail] ()
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|>X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC)
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|>Lightwave is cooler because its coming out for the PMac.
|>
  I don't think that buys a lot today. I also don't think it makes it any
 cooler. It may run on a power Mac but it remains to be seen if it will be
 a MAC application. I feel LW is where it is today because it is easy to
 use and offers more for the buck. Pretty basic but I thinks thats it. Other
 software may be more powerfull, but unless you need that power why go through
 the learning curve or $$$$$$.

 -bill

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Subject: Re: LightWave 5.0 at NAB
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In article <4l8skv$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Stranahan) writes:
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|>From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
|>Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
|>Subject: Re: LightWave 5.0 at NAB
|>Date: 19 Apr 1996 16:21:51 -0400
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|>I tend to agree with Brian - make no mistake, I think this was a good show
|>for NewTek...but it could have been a VERY good show.
|>
|>The reason for the flatness was that the message was dilluted - products
|>like Toaster for Windows or Television-Studio-In-A-Box or
|>Product-Nobody-Really-Cares-About-If-Indeed-It-Ever-Ships or whatever it's
|>called just take away from the LightWave 5.0 LIGHTWAVE 5.0!!!! Message
|>that they should have had.
|>
|>LightWave 5.0 is great, and no other company has more of a clue right
|>now....so LightWave will do okay....but just okay, I fear...
|>
|>
|>_____________________________________________
|>Lee Stranahan
|>Home Page URL - http://users.aol.com/stranahan/main.htm
|>
  Lee,
  Why are you wasting time developing tapes/tutorials/cd's for a program
  you fear will just be doing ok ?

  -bill

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From: Nate Hayes <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: More on Metanurbs, etc (long)
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Yes,

I saw metanurbs and map-motion demoed at NAB... they are both great new
tools. The map-motion plugin was tremendous; It's possibilities seem
endless. I saw it used to control the movement of a whole big mess of
interlocked gears. By rotating one null object, the entire system began
to move... first slowly, then fast, then slow, then backwards, etc.
you name it! I was really impressed. I liked it just as much as the
Kinetix demo of biped, although I think the map-motion will be a more
general purpose tool.

Nate

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From: Nate Hayes <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: OpenGL work in Win3.1 too?
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 15:24:35 -0500
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Ok, possibly a stupid question...
>
> Does OpenGL work in Win3.1, or is this
> a strictly 32bit evironment thing?
>
> If it will work in Win3.1, do I need a special
> openGL.dll or something similiar.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.

Nope. OpenGL only exists on 32-bit environments. There are different
OPENGL32.DLL and GLU32.DLL binaries for both Win95 and WinNT, and I've
never seen a Win32s version.... anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

Sincerely,

Nate

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Need a Copy of Lightwave for PC
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On Wed, 17 Apr 1996 18:22:35 GMT, [e-mail] (Marlon Beltz)
wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Mar 1996 18:30:29 GMT, [e-mail] (Marlon Beltz)
>wrote:
>
>>Anyone have an extra copy of Lightwave for PC for sale?  Mosttly just
>>need the dongle, have the other stuff.  Please email me at
>>[e-mail]
>>
>>
>>Thanks in advance.
>
>I don't have time to read this group very often but someone just told
>me that I was getting slamed for posting the above.
>
>Why?  Software licenses are legally transferable.  The statement that
>I have the other stuff should let you know that I already have the
>manuals and CD's.  Hmmm, how did I get those?  Could it be that I have
>legally purchased 2 SGI copies, 1 Alpha copy and 2 PC copies and now
>need another PC copy?  That I don't need 6 copies of the manual and
>CD?  If I was a 'pirate' wouldn't I be looking for the manuals and
>other stuff, not a dongle.  I've owned Lightwave legally since version
>1.0 and done more than my share to support Newtek.
>
>Why don't you losers relax and back off?
>
>He who is without sin cast the first stone.
>
Hey Bud,

Might as well upgrade to 5.0 now......
But if you wanted to be a pirate, I think you would want a cracked
version. Guess a would be software liscence transferor could save a
few bucks too just mailing the donghle. Hey at least you didn't want
it emailed<g>


jd






John Donlevie
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: It's here! It's here! The LWPRO Compilation Book is here!
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On 17 Apr 1996 03:06:02 -0700, [e-mail] (Kip Pesuti)
wrote:

>>It just came today! "The Best of LIGHTWAVEPRO" has finally arrived! It's a
>>beautiful looking book, black with a colage of LWPRO covers on the front.
>>It has a nice spiral type binding, hand for laying open on you desktop while
>>you work the tutorials. Inside it looks like one MEGA-LIGHTWAVEPRO. They've
>>kept the format intact. There are no color images, though, except for the
>>Thornton "Bison" on the back. cover.
>
>Oops! I spazzed out and posted this before I was finished. I wanted to mention
>the cover letter from Jim Plant, accompanying the book, which appologizes for
>the delay, and promises to do better in the future. In addition, there's a
>coupon good for $50.00 toward any LightWave 3D training seminar that AMG Media
>puts on in 1996!
>
>
> God bless you!
>(and your Amiga) Or whatever you use. :)
>-Kip
>
You're one lucky person.
Over the last two weeks I've E-mailed Avid on four occasions
requesting information regarding the book I paid for in Feb, without
the courtesy of a reply.
$50 reduction for a seminar is okay for people in the states, but does
anybody know what people outside the US will be offered ( I'm in the
UK)?

Geoff Wilson

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Subject: Re: Avi in Win95!
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>Brian Smallwood ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: Anyone out there know if it is possible to create avi files from
>: Lightwave on Win95?  Thanks.


     I had problems myself initially and spent a fair amount of stuffing
around getting AVI's to save (on win3.1 NOT 95)
     After I had got it working and produced my first AVI anim I sat
back, hit myself on the head and thought to myself, Why did I bother?
     On my system (486 DX4 100) AVI's are dog slow,lousy quality and as
far as I'm aware if you stop LW rendering the animation at say frame
399 of a 400 frame animation no AVI is saved.
     Maybe add on video cards(or different Codecs) can get better results
with LW AVI's,I dont know.
     I'm sticking with mpg and flc,flh animations for the moment and
unless you require AVI's for another applications use (ie. Premiere,etc)
I suggest you do to.

    I hope this provides some help

        Steven



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Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
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|>The looks of the interface isn't the point. Ever been in a LW popup
|>box and you can only use that box without closing it? Little things
|>like that slow you down. I run 1600x1200 resolution and LW doesn't
|>really take advantage of the extra screen space. At 1600x1200 you get
|>one big layout (modeler is nice though). Why can't I use that extra
|>space to have a surfaces panel open? Or an animation track? The LW
|>interface is nice, but the Amiga roots are holding it back.
|>
  What's Amiga Roots have to do with it! If LW had Amiga roots on the Amiga
 we'd all(Amiga users) be running popup requesters/menus ect. Amiga PD programs
 supplied that to AMIGA applications long long ago. You hit the mous button
 and the box with dropdown menus would appear wherever the pointer was.
 LW does not use an Amiga interface.

|>>why do you want to animate the modeling process?
|>
|>Not the modeling process. You can have animated booleans, etc.
|>
|>>Many people prefer separate modeler and layout.
|>
|>When 3DSR4 had seperate Shaper, Lofter, Layout, Keyframer, and
|>Materials screen people didn't like it.
|>
  I never used those, but I have to admit importing/exporting between modeler
 never seemed a problem to me. as for buttons ect, I feel many that complain
 about this never took the time to learn keyboard shortcuts. You want to
 rotate and object 90 degrees slect it hit "r". no big deal for sure, but
 given that there are many of these has to be considered when we talk interface.
  Interfaces will akways be a holy war simply because people become accostumed
 to them. BTW ADpro on the Amiga has a multi configurable interface . This was
 trivial on the Amiga. My thought is the LW developers may have seen the future
 so avoided thes thing in prep of multiplatform development. If the interface
 is a consession to multiplatform support/development then it is a small price
to pay. After all today MAX is available on how many Systems??? LW on how many???

 -bill

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Has AMIGA been sold again?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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On Mon 22-Apr-1996  1:11p, Marc Hartsuiker wrote:
MH> On 21 Apr 1996 07:24:53 GMT, David Forbus <[e-mail]>
MH> wrote:

MH> >What's this about AMIGA Technologies being sold to an american cable box
MH> >manufacturer? Does anybody care? Does it matter?
MH> >
MH> >DLF

MH> Hmm.. i don't know about this amiga technologie being sold to an
MH> american cable box manufacturer but i do know that most (all?) amiga
MH> technologie was bought by a large german pc-concern. They are planning
MH> on remarketing the amiga and especially the upper level amiga's.

MH> Marc
----------------
Well I talked to my computer store and they said that YES the Amiga HAS been
sold to some other company and that the German company no longer owns it.
.........md

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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On Mon 22-Apr-1996  6:47a, Jeff Jasper wrote:
JJ> > I spoke to Mark Thompson about volumetric lighting in MAX and his
JJ> > response was that it was basically useless (i.e. very poor looking).
JJ> > You'll have better luck creating it by hand in LW than you will using
JJ> the
JJ> > built in version in MAX.  I can't comment on SI, as we didn't talk about
JJ> > volumetrics in SI.

JJ> HAHAHA, ok, I'll bite on this flame bait. I suggest you check out...
JJ> http://www.torcomp.com/3dmax.htm. Scroll down to the images done by MAX
JJ> Beta testers. You will see some nice volumetric lighting examples.One
JJ> obvious example is cherub.jpg.

JJ> Jeff
JJ> -----------
JJ> Sr. Programmer 3
JJ> Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
JJ> Emerging Technology Studio
-------------------
I went to that web page and I thought that the "cherub" picture looked pretty
good. I had to see for myself what all the noise was about on this 3Dmax.
I use LW and am very happy with it. But i also use Strata and Infini-D and I
think that they all do something good and somethings better than others....
.........md

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|>Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
|>Subject: Ron Thornton videos
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|>Hi there,
|>Does anyone know anything about the Ron Thornton modeling
|>and surfacing videos? I'm in need of a some help with using
|>lightwaves modeler, and since this guy's such a master at using
|>it, I thought I'd give it a try. Is it worth the $50? And is
|>it worth spending $50 more to get the surfacing video too?
|>Thanks in advance for any help.
|>                            Dan ([e-mail])
|>
|>
  I can say the videos are very helpfull. I liked the modeling one better,
  but that may be because the Texturing one used PhotoShop which I can't
  run on the Amiga. However even that had good all around info. Well worth
 the $50.00 in my opinion. Ron offers his insights on doing things as opposed
 to just showing you how to. I also have Lee's modeler tape aand it offers very
 good value for the money. It starts at a much lower level(tape two ) but Lee
 shows how to use motion paths and walk through mos of the modelers features.
 While I haven't been his biggest fan of late, I'll give him credit where it's
 due and his modeler tape deserves it. Between the two your on your way!

 -bill

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From: Jean-Eric Hénault <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: My take on NAB: 3DS MAX vs. LW 5.0
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:24:56 -0400
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VirtualBri wrote:
>
> Questions and corrections:
>
> >Interactive Texture Placement  Nope
> >UV Mapping                     Nope
> Fori s Power Texture, a plug-in shown on the floor allows interactive
> texture placement and UV Mapping
>
> >Internal Alpha Channel         Nope, only external
> I m not sure what this is.  Could someone explain this one?
>
> >Volumetric Lights/Shadows      Nope
> NewTek said there would be a plug-in by summer.
>
> >Animatable Booleans            Nope
> What would you use this for that a morph wouldn t do?
>
> >Animatable Textures            Nope
> Many people are animating textures right now, and with alpha channels
> between multiple textures you can animate those as well.
> I don't see why not ? Most procedural have built-in animation capabilities, and you can map live-video too !!



> >Modeless                       Modeler/Layout still exist as two
> So?  This is pretty minor at best.

As a 3DS user, having two separate modeler and Layout can seem as a problem. But I assure you, it has its advantages. On the
Amiga version, it was possible to exchange objects directly between the two programs through AREXX. This feature is back in
LW 5.0.

> >Frontal Projection with shadows        Yes
> Explain?
>
> >Seamless Plugin Architecture   Nope
> What is "seamless" besides a marketing ploy?  When I use a plug-in, I pull
> up the menu and use it.  What s not seamless about that?

As for plug-in architecture, LW now has one of the most flexible availlable for programmers to bring new modules very
quickly to the market.

I have tought many 3DS users how to use LW, and most will say that it's a lot more user friendly than 3DS and a lot less
intimidating.

> >True WinNT Interface           Nope
> Um, MAX s interft sections of 3DS:  Everything attempted to be crammed on
> one screen.  What is "True NT Interface" about that?  I ve got plenty of
> NT programs that don t put every button on one screen.

I would remind you that LW's interface has a lot of similarities with SoftImage. In fact, LW users that upgrade to SI feel
right at home. SI may not have a Windows-style interface, but it sure is more powerfull than 3DS MAX. LightWave doesn't try
to look like MS-Word, nor should it try to... ;-)

> >Space Warps            Nope
> What are Space Warps?  I could be wrong, but they just looked like
> animatible displacement maps to me.

That seems like a neat feature, although we are able to get similar results with particle plug-ins on LW.

> Not trying to start a flame war, just interested in legitimate advantages
> of MAX, like its keyframe control,  over marketing BS.
> --Brian.

I don't think LW or 3DS is any superior to the other one. I just think that some packages are better suited for some tasks
than other. If 3DS was so fantastic, then how do you explain LW's credentials ??? So far, 3DS has captured the game industry,
but LightWave has invaded the big Hollywood TV studios and gone where no other 3D programs have gone before...

Jean-Eric



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From: Bryant Reif <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: In defense of separate Modeler/Layout
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:37:49 -0400
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Prem Subrahmanyam wrote:

[SNIP]

> more detailed stuff.  So, I just started Layout rendering and
> fired up Modeler to do all my modeling work while Layout was
> busy with rendering.  Just about the time the new test-render
> was done, the newly modeled object was ready to go into the
> scene.  So, I load up the new version of the object and fire
> up a test-render.  Sure beats waiting for the new render before
> starting to do anymore modeling (especially when you are working
> into the wee morning hours on this after the paying work is
> done).

Good point!  I do this all the time without thinking about it.  I
suppose if I had to switch to a modeless interface this would become
annoying.



Bryant Reif
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From: "Frank D. Cocke" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Texture  Mapping Problem? Any Ideas?
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:52:48 -0500
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Kurt Harmel wrote:
>
> I have a complex object full of spheres and cylindars, all at
> funny angles. Heres the problem; one cylindar needs to be mapped as
> if it were sitting flat on an X ,Y or Z axis in Modeler. Its sitting at a
> 45 degree angle. As a result, the texture looks distorted in Layout. Now
> if I had the cylindar sitting flat in modeler, it would be no problem;
> but it needs to intersect the rest of the model at this funny 45 degree
> angle. It seems the only solution may be to make this cylindar a separate
> object and rotate the it in layout. That seems like a real PAIN!
> Is there a better way?
>
> Thanks!
>
> P.S.
>
> Does anyone know the Intel upgrade price for 5.0?

Kurt,

  Your problem is really easy to solve. Like you said you'll need to make this
cylinder a separate object but save it out in two forms. One just like its
positioned in your model and the other at no rotation. Then in layout load both
ojects and morph the second, the one with no rotation, to the object with the
45 degree angle. Set metamorph level to 100%.Set the dissolve level for the
object with the 45 degree angle at 100%. Now your texture will be mapped onto
the object with no rotation and that object will be morphed to the one with
rotation.

Frank
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Frank D. Cocke
The Lightray Factory, 3D animation & Graphics
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From: "Frank D. Cocke" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Possibly DUMB question re: LW4.0
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> To all LW guru's:
>
>         Ok, this may sound dumb but I can't seem to figure this out.
>
>         I just bought LW4.0 (Intel NT), I've used the Amiga versions for years.
> My problem is this:
>
>                 I created a simple TEXT logo and surfaced it as usual.  The
> problem lies in the lighting.  If I turn AMBIENT light to 0% and the ONLY light
> down to 0%, shouldn't the image render black?  I can't seem to get the
> light/ambient to cause the image to go dark.  What am I doing wrong?  I've tried
> all 3 types of light, with, and without falloff.  Ambient at 0-5%, and the ONLY
> light source at anywhere from 80-0%.  The image always seems to be the same
> brightness.
>         Oh, BTW:, I'm set in the Camera options to Realistic, Trace Shadows.
>
>         Any clues would be GREATLY appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
> Bob

Bob,

  Check to see if your surfaces have any % of luminosity.

Frank
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Frank D. Cocke
The Lightray Factory, 3D animation & Graphics
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Well i must say good job to NewTek in supporting student users. Heck i
think they might be the first to offer high school student discounts!!

Anyway, the next step is to get LightWave accepted in to the schools!
This is not going to be easy at all..as many of the teachers professors
are stuck in their ways of thinking about computer
graphics...furthermore, Alias and the otehr big boys practically give the
software to universities so it makes it kinda hard for the university not
to accept the software....

LightWave's strong point is that students can actually afford to but the
product and continue to create based on what was taught in the
university..highschool..etc...then, if LightWave is accepted in to a
university or school..you can bet your bottom's dollar that the student
store will carry a few copies..we're not talkin mega sales...but were
talkin mega exposure....

 Furthermore, many universities are just looking for reason why they
should hold on to their macintoshes...GREAT timing on announcing a MAC
version...PITCH THE MAC, INTEL, SGI versions heavily..mention the others
too..but i think many universities will be glad to hear about a great mac
3d product.

Adam Chrystie
University Of Califoria, Santa Cruz
Film.Video / Senior
[e-mail]

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Adam Chrystie LightWave 3D Animator
Cinema/Video Major, Senior
University Of California at Santa Cruz

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
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Subject: LW upgrade :(
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Ok, I just talked to Newtek today about the upgrade cost. I had already sent
in my 495.00 to get my upgrade to 5.0. I asked if, since I just bought mine in
January, if that was tthe real price or what? Everyone has to pay the same
price for the upgrade NO MATTER what time you bought it or what platform you
are on. I'm on the DecAlpha and I think that I paid around the 2000.00 price
range for mine which means that now I am ending up paying about a 1000.00 more
than if I would of just waited three months, since ALL platforms are the same
price now, at 1400.00 or so......I wonder why they are doing it like that to
use who just bought it? I love LW, but I think the word for people like me
is..........SUCKERS!!!!!!!............md

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Bill Leonard ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <4leao8$[e-mail]>,
: [e-mail](William A. Mendez ) wrote:

: > I feel that MIPS and Power PC's Running NT never got off ground why?

: Because SGI (IRIX/Indigo Magic) and Apple (MacOS) have better operating
: systems available for those processors.  No one _wants_ to use NT, they're
: usually forced into it.

Uh...  I think it's a bit more than just that.  The lack of applications
compiled for WinNT on MIPS and PPC based systems is probably nil.  That doesn't
mean the OS is any less capable.  It just means software houses don't see the
demand.  The Alpha runs into a similar situation however it has some level of
support (and growing).


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